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New press archive page reveals some juicy lore secrets

The date of the article is July 28th 1948.

Now we know the official date when Joey Drew Studios was closed: 1948

Which means that Wilson was working at Joey Drew Studios at the time when he made the 414 audio log, since the audio log is from April 1948, and the studio closed in July. This pretty much confirms that Wilson was the Gent worker, who stole Shawn’s toolbelt.

But wait, there’s more! It turns out that Gent took over the studio assets: presumably including the ink machine

 And it seems that gent continued to perform experiments with the machine until 1952, when they were finally closed for safety issues.

That’s very interesting. it means that Thomas got the ink machine back. Now let’s think back to Allison’s comment about Thomas being upset that someone stole his "dusty old invention”.

We all assumed that invention was the ink machine, and the “someone” was Joey, but now it looks more likely that the thief was Wilson. Was the stolen invention the seeing glass tool? If Wilson has it, then he could have been the person who messed with the golden text in Henry’s cell.

As a reminder to those who haven’t read my post about it: the Employee handbook confirms that the messages were made by two different authors.

As we’ve pointed out before, those three words were written in what appears to be pencil, while the other messages are written with ink. Pencil was also used to cross out the “don’t” in “don’t go through the door”, presumably to encourage Henry to repeat the loop

Of course, we don’t know if all of these details are connected, but to me it looks suspiciously like Wilson might have been the mastermind behind the events in BATIM and Henry becoming trapped in a time loop.

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My thoughts:

Now we know the reason why Joey stole the ending. As we’ve previously theorized, Joey did this to hide Henry’s role in creating Bendy.

This also makes it possible for Henry in the game to be Toon Henry, as opposed to real Henry.

Hi! I know it's been a long time, and sorry if you've been asked this before, but was the ending of the Tombstone Picnic ever animated by you, or was the short designed to have no ending to begin with? If so, do you know what the ending was supposed to be in-universe? Was that character Bendy meets someone specific, or was it just a general idea that Bendy sees someone's shadow, the end?

Hello, I have been asked this before but I couldn’t give an answer then since BATIM was still ongoing.

TP was indeed intended to end with Bendy seeing someone’s shadow before it cut off, but TP was also the only toon to break the fourth wall in-universe. The shadow Bendy saw was Henry entering their world. It was the first hint to the ending of chapter 5, when it was revealed Henry was no longer in the real world.

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Every single audiolog in BATDR

Nathan Arch

Wilson

Keepers

Shawn Flynn

Grant Cohen

Jack Fain

Wally Franks

Angus Newman

Dale Little

Kay Lee

Bill Danton

Phil Clark

Jane Todd

Lance Derby

Hank Scott

Grace Conway

Kitty Thompson

Steve McGregor

Archie Carter

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The man who corrupted Spamton

Wasn’t Gaster 

Spamton didn’t get in contact with Gaster until after he lost his success.

Then who was it?

Mike is the TV World’s Gameshow Boss.

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It does feel like a last minute change. Like they intended for Wally to be Boris (and for Joey to be Bendy), but when they started working on chapter 5, they decided to come up with something else so they could make a sequel.

On the other hand, if Buddy isn't Boris, then what's the point of making a book about him, when we'd rather have a book about the canon characters? Hinting at him becoming Boris, referring to him as Buddy rather than just Daniel, having him escape at the end? It has to build up to something.

Honestly it feels like the devs are trying to push us away from Wally=Boris. First they confirm that he left the studio, now they introduce Buddy and confirm that he's a Boris. I'm sorry Buddy constantly being used with Boris. And Wally only made a small cameo from what I'm hearing. The only thing that remains is similar personality, but Boris acts this way in the cartoons too.

Not gonna lie if it’s a “red herring” I’m gonna be very disappointed because. It’s not. How red herrings work dfnfkfd

They had this whole build up and hammered it down with Wally’s tape about eating a cake (being attracted to food like Boris) only to tell us WOOPS he’s alive also here’s all the Buddy symbolism

I MEAN the build up for Wally being Boris is so solid that if I can’t trust that then I feel like I can’t trust anything so I rather believe that there is some kind of explanation

But honestly it’s the same case with Joey being the Ink Demon

They’re not but we still are being given strong symbols???

Something is going on here

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Have you seen Matpats new theory on Bendy and the Dark Revival?

Yeah, I've seen it.

Alas, it's wrong. I loved the way he managed to make the memory items meaningful and the connection to Tessa is interesting and gives me a lot of thoughts and theories of my own. But Nathan didn't open an animation studio until after Joey's death, and Tessa was still alive at the time. We know this, because he mentions visiting the animators in the same audio log where he talks about bringing the hotdog to Tessa.

And yet... those memory items the way they seem to be tied to Wilson is extremely interesting to me, and I want to propose a different theory: what if the items were never meant to have been Audrey's memories, but rather Wilson's? Not in the sense of Wilson's soul somehow being inside Audrey, but simply because Wilson's mind is affecting the ink world in the same way that Joey's did before?

Remember when I complained that despite being told that Wilson has control over the world, we never saw the same signs of it as we did with Joey (eg. the paintings on the walls being the same as inside his apartment, and some of the writings on the wall clearly referring to him?)

What if the memory items are this to Wilson? Bits of his mind and memories materializing inside the world under his control?

Some more evidence:

The icon for achievement for collecting memories looks like the eye used to symbolize Wilson in the game

A lot of memory items can be found in places connected to Wilson or Nathan

One of the items mentions roadtrips, but that's unlikely to be a thing Joey did with Audrey, given that he was wheelchair-bound.

And finally, notice that the description on the items is extremely vague about the gender of the child they belonged to.

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Joey Drew Archive 4/4

We finally have the date when Arch Gate bought Bendy IP: 1972. This would be around the time when Audrey got employed and sucked inside the inky world. To recap: Henry visited Joey in 1963, 9 years prior. Meaning that Audrey could very well have been the girl whose voice we hear at the end of BATIM, now all grown up!

The article also confirms what we’ve long suspected: Joey Drew is dead!

Curiously, it states here that Arch Gate Pictures was formed after Nathan bought Bendy IP. This could only mean two things:

The Arch Gate studio, which employed Allison at the end of BATIM, belonged to Nathan’s son, Nate Arch Jr, not to Nathan himself, and for some reason Nathan took over his son’s studio around the time when the steel industry experienced a crisis (if you look at my “dreamfisher certified” tag, you’ll find a post where I go into details about this theory, the hints about we’ve been given so far, and what it could mean for Nathan’s relationship with his son that I hope to see explored in BATDR).

Joey was exchanging letters with Allison from the future

Both are not impossible, though I’m personally more inclined to think it’s the former. This is important, because Nathan and his son share the same first and last name, which means that not every reference to “Nathan Arch” that we’ll see in the game will be about the same person. We’ll have to be very careful to distinguish which Nathan did what. For all we know, they might have a vastly different personality.

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Every single memo in BATDR

Your Best Pal

Sammy Lawrence

Shawn Flynn

Thomas Connor

Wally Franks

Joey Drew

Alice Angel

A Friend (Allison)

Alan Grey

Telly Wester

Sally Newt

Hudson Doyle

Chef Buck

Phil Clark

Muncie Dunn

Eugene Lloyd

Kitty Thompson

Unknown

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Henry survives a slap by Beast Bendy too.

Ink chart

I’ve made a little chart of what types of ink who can touch in batim for @thedreamfisher

“False” means, they’ll die or might die when they touch that type of ink, “True” means they’ll survive “?” means it’s unclear and “true/false” + “?” means it has been hinted at and seems to be that way but it has never really been confirmed.

probably not 100% correct and might get some changes in the future, but I think it’s a good starting point to collect all that data, to find similarities and connections, etc.

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You know how we’ve always said it’s weird that Joey ordered all of his employees to donate an item for the ritual, but there were only 6 pedestals?

I think I’ve figured out the reason.

So we know that there were 2 studio locations: in the meatpacking district and in the broadway

Thing is, only the Broadway location was liquidated, the Meatpacking location was presumably still in Joey’s hands. And Joey invited Henry to visit “the old workshop” meaning the one in the Meatpacking district.

And that leads me to the conclusion that the ritual only had 6 items, because after 1948 Joey only had 6 employees left in the Meatpacking studio location

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So, I looked up some of Nathan’s quotes from TIOL, and it seems he was still unmarried and looking for a date in 1927, which means that Wilson couldn’t have been born before 1929.

This means that he can’t be older than 45 in BATDR, making him around the same age as Chris Pratt

Look how they massacred my boy

Since we’re on the subject of canon ages, given that Audrey wasn’t even born yet as of 1963, and she looks prepubescent in Joey’s slideshow, meaning she was max 12 at her creation, it would make her no older than 21 at the time of BATDR (assuming she didn’t have accelerated aging).

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nathan has no reason to put up pictures of wilson when he chose to work as a janitor, it wouldnt make sense for there to be pics of the janitor (even if its his own son). there are no pics of tessa either but nathan still clearly cares abt her /nm

Good point about Tessa, but Wilson isn't a janitor, he said in his audio log that janitor is simply one of his disguises.

We don't know what his true position is, though I'd imagine it's pretty high, considering that he's the Heir Apparent of the company (person who inherits the company after the current owner's death).

Nathan has been called the "owner" of Arch Gate Pictures and "CEO" of Arch Gate Films, but not both, suggesting that there may be another person, who's the owner of Arch Gate Films and the CEO of Arch Gate Pictures. Also, Wilson uses the term "Arch Gate Studios" in one of his notes.

In the Disney company structure Disney Pictures is a subsidiary of Walt Disney Studios, which is a subsidiary of The Walt Disney Company. If the structure of the company is similar to that of Walt Disney Studios, it would mean that Archgate Films and Arch Gate Pictures are both subsidiaries of Arch Gate Studios, which is itself a part of Arch Gate Company. There would be a different person in charge of each of these companies.

Nathan says that it was Wilson's idea to start a film studio, so it's not impossible that Wilson is the CEO of Archgate Films.

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The author confirmed that the books are canon, even if we wish some things were not.

Is Dreams Come To Life supposed to be set in a different continuity like the FNAF novels?

It’s pretty obvious it’s canon? I mean I know you’d all like it not to be but

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By the way guys, if you’re wondering where I got the info about Nathan’s son, it’s from the intro of The illusion of living book

Which implies the existence of a Nathan Arch Jr. He also mentions him in passing one time

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Kris created the fountain as a call for help?

There’s one interesting thing Kris does right before creating the fountain.

They open the door, presumably for Undyne, who they know is on the way to their house following Toriel’s phone call.

Kris wants Undyne to come inside the Dark World. But why? What is their goal?

Personally, I think it’s their way to call for help. Keep in mind that Kris has an option to ask Undyne for help earlier in the chapter, and her dialogue hints that Kris told her they think the Dark World is a danger to their town.

If Undyne sees the Dark World by herself, she will have to take their warning seriously, right? And even if she doesn’t, Toriel might.

Think about it: if you’re a child in trouble, who are you going to reach out to?

A parent, and a police officer. Toriel and Undyne.

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All lore-relevant notes and spoilers from The Lost Ones book

Spoilers under the cut

Canon characters that appear in the book:

Joey

Thomas

Allison

Wally

Other important characters:

Scott (a GENT worker, Thomas' right hand man who was among the people helping him build the ink machine)

Bill (son of the studio's investor)

Constance (an actress working on a film sponsored by Bill's dad)

Brant (a journalist trying to expose Bill's father as a corrupted businessman)

Major lore reveals:

Thomas and Allison are confirmed to have shady morals. They're working for Joey and actively helping him cover up the murders.

Thomas justifies coming back to work on the ink machine, because he believes it's like his child.

But really, all three of them are most likely mind-controlled by the machine.

The ink is confirmed to have two mind-control abilities: firstly, it causes whoever touches it to become obsessed with the ink machine.

Secondly, it enhances some kind of deeply buried negative feeling or personality trait in the victim.

All ink creatures are confirmed to be connected with the Ink Machine and traveling together with it.

Bendy... can turn invisible?

Together with the ink machine, Thomas transported a giant box with chains on it. Something inside would bang on the walls of the box every time Brant touched the ink machine. When the teens opened the box to see inside it, it turned out to be completely empty and clean, with no ink inside. Bendy attacked them soon afterwards, so it was most likely him inside the box, but it's strange that there was not a drop of ink inside that he could be hiding in.

There exists a way to cure the ink creatures and turn them back into humans (!)

Constance develops an "antidote" which cures Brent after he turns into a Lost One. It's not stated what is inside the antidote, but she created it with the use of an amateur chemistry set, so the ingredients must be simple and easily accessible. It's described as having a deep red color.

The Ink machine isn't really broken and can't be fixed

That would imply that the Creator's Lie is actually that the ink machine isn't working as intended. Though I have no idea for what purpose would Joey intend to create a machine that enhances people's negative feelings.

Other notes:

Tom calls Allison "Ally"

Dot still works at the studio, Joey orders Thomas to hide the ink machine from her

More hints of Thomas being black: he spends his days drinking in bars in a racially-segregated African American neighborhood, and Scott aggressively questions Bill if he's "uncomfortable" meeting him there

Joey's sense of humor continues to be weird. At one point he "accidentally" on purpose shuts the door in Bill's face and laughs about it

The Ink Machine was created in the Atlantic City, which is also the place of the main GENT headquarters and the place where their greatest inventions are created.

Joey wears a pinstripe suit (Dapper Bendy reference?)

Joey's walk is described as resembling a dance (Dancing Demon lol)